I think the gradual method is possible however it will be a generational struggle. The section of the right which is meaningfully opposed to progressivism and egalitarianism reemerge around 2015. In the last 10 years we've made a lot of progress in shifting the Overton window. This election is a chance to get a lot of our guys into positions of power. But it is only the beginning of the struggle.
I think that yes, MAGA and Trump are going for quick and dirty plus gradual. And far more effectively now than in 2017.
Quick and dirty included all the executive orders Trump signed. Gradual in gradually getting rid of the old-guard establishment Republicans and cutting off funding to various NGOs essential to the Democrats.
And ironically, it was the Democrats that have resorted to de-democratization attempts, as with the lawfare, loosened voting laws, and mass illegal immigration.
I am not sure whether this time around Trump will make the left stronger for the following reasons:
1) the democrats are not actually proposing a significantly different social and economic policy to the Republicans. In fact they have followed the lead of Trump in embracing protectionism, which makes them look weak. If people want protectionism, they will choose Trump who has a reputation for leading the protectionist charge as opposed to the Democrats, who are just as protectionist, but not as outspoken about it.
2) Trump now has experience in government and is less likely to repeat the blunders that damaged his previous government's popularity.
3) Trump may use his White House experience to more effectively suppress Democrats and further dedemocratise the US
4) Change in the democratic party that could make it more popular is being blocked by the party's establishment. This is unlikely to change, especially now that some of the party's more progressive leaders are either too old to run for President (Sanders) or have been co opted by the Democratic Party establishment (AOC).
5) Trump may rely on boosting nationalism via rhetoric and perhaps new wars to maintain his popularity. In political science it is fairly well known that empires in decline tend to be the most aggressive powers - this is known as the Thucydides trap. Resorting to nationalism is a strategy that has a strong historical track record.
6) The world is becoming more unstable due to ecological crises, changes in the balance of power and technological innovations that cause alienation and many other effects. This will favour more populist leaders who propose radical solutions (even if they are never implemented).
I wonder how a shifting face of the MAGA movement in the Republican Party will play a role in the 2028 elections. I don’t think you know this, but the US has 2 term presidential limits, so Trump can’t run again. There will be a new face to the party and as of right now it’s likely to be Vance, but that is as of Dec 2024, we’ll see what happens in 2028.
Secondly, I do think the combative option of using the legal system to fight the Democrats is possible, we saw the Democrats use the Legal system against Trump this past election, so all bets are off. A new precedent has been established and thus we will see it be used again by Trump and his administration against the Democrats.
We've seen some shifting of the Overton Window in recent times. The most extreme instances of left-wing thought seem to be on the backfoot. In this sense one can expect positive medium-term change. The Daily Wire crew for example should be very happy. However, I also think that anyone who expects major, fundamental change is at least likely going to be disappointed (though I'm at least watching with interest how many of the proposed changes will actually be implemented and if they work). Even if one had the spirit for it (and I doubt Trump or his administration has it) I actually wonder if modern life hasn't taken up too much rot for it to be salvageable long-term. I can therefore understand both positions in regards to Trump's win when viewed from the right: 1. He gives us time to organize and build. If we use it well we can affect some change in the medium-term by following a gradual strategy. 2. Trump will pacify the right wing and victory will make it blind to the actual issues, none of which will get solved. It would have been better if he had lost.
Maybe both actually lead to the same conclusion long-term.
I disagree it's good that Trump did win for one it helps us limit Mass immigration I think you're forgetting something that the left doesn't control the narrative anymore the left had virtual control of every social media platform and censored and destroyed conservative talent but now that Twitter is back and we have several alternatives to the mainstream media and actually can get our message out there I doubt the left can take back power as they did after 2016
It's why I said the Daily Wire crew is gonna be happy. If you're part of the more mainstream conservative crew then it's certainly the preferred position and as my original comment said, I get it. However, I also understand why one would not be happy at all with this "containment" option.
I'm optimistic cuz I read the past of a future country by Edward Dutton and I generally agree with him the left is intellectuals are not what they used to be for example leftist IQ has been declining while the right in Christian Protestants in Mormons are immune from the degenic effect
I think the gradual method is possible however it will be a generational struggle. The section of the right which is meaningfully opposed to progressivism and egalitarianism reemerge around 2015. In the last 10 years we've made a lot of progress in shifting the Overton window. This election is a chance to get a lot of our guys into positions of power. But it is only the beginning of the struggle.
I think that yes, MAGA and Trump are going for quick and dirty plus gradual. And far more effectively now than in 2017.
Quick and dirty included all the executive orders Trump signed. Gradual in gradually getting rid of the old-guard establishment Republicans and cutting off funding to various NGOs essential to the Democrats.
And ironically, it was the Democrats that have resorted to de-democratization attempts, as with the lawfare, loosened voting laws, and mass illegal immigration.
I am not sure whether this time around Trump will make the left stronger for the following reasons:
1) the democrats are not actually proposing a significantly different social and economic policy to the Republicans. In fact they have followed the lead of Trump in embracing protectionism, which makes them look weak. If people want protectionism, they will choose Trump who has a reputation for leading the protectionist charge as opposed to the Democrats, who are just as protectionist, but not as outspoken about it.
2) Trump now has experience in government and is less likely to repeat the blunders that damaged his previous government's popularity.
3) Trump may use his White House experience to more effectively suppress Democrats and further dedemocratise the US
4) Change in the democratic party that could make it more popular is being blocked by the party's establishment. This is unlikely to change, especially now that some of the party's more progressive leaders are either too old to run for President (Sanders) or have been co opted by the Democratic Party establishment (AOC).
5) Trump may rely on boosting nationalism via rhetoric and perhaps new wars to maintain his popularity. In political science it is fairly well known that empires in decline tend to be the most aggressive powers - this is known as the Thucydides trap. Resorting to nationalism is a strategy that has a strong historical track record.
6) The world is becoming more unstable due to ecological crises, changes in the balance of power and technological innovations that cause alienation and many other effects. This will favour more populist leaders who propose radical solutions (even if they are never implemented).
I wonder how a shifting face of the MAGA movement in the Republican Party will play a role in the 2028 elections. I don’t think you know this, but the US has 2 term presidential limits, so Trump can’t run again. There will be a new face to the party and as of right now it’s likely to be Vance, but that is as of Dec 2024, we’ll see what happens in 2028.
Secondly, I do think the combative option of using the legal system to fight the Democrats is possible, we saw the Democrats use the Legal system against Trump this past election, so all bets are off. A new precedent has been established and thus we will see it be used again by Trump and his administration against the Democrats.
Otherwise, I mostly agree with you.
Thanks for the comment, however, I'm not too sure that the courts are impartial, especially around constitutional affairs.
We've seen some shifting of the Overton Window in recent times. The most extreme instances of left-wing thought seem to be on the backfoot. In this sense one can expect positive medium-term change. The Daily Wire crew for example should be very happy. However, I also think that anyone who expects major, fundamental change is at least likely going to be disappointed (though I'm at least watching with interest how many of the proposed changes will actually be implemented and if they work). Even if one had the spirit for it (and I doubt Trump or his administration has it) I actually wonder if modern life hasn't taken up too much rot for it to be salvageable long-term. I can therefore understand both positions in regards to Trump's win when viewed from the right: 1. He gives us time to organize and build. If we use it well we can affect some change in the medium-term by following a gradual strategy. 2. Trump will pacify the right wing and victory will make it blind to the actual issues, none of which will get solved. It would have been better if he had lost.
Maybe both actually lead to the same conclusion long-term.
I disagree it's good that Trump did win for one it helps us limit Mass immigration I think you're forgetting something that the left doesn't control the narrative anymore the left had virtual control of every social media platform and censored and destroyed conservative talent but now that Twitter is back and we have several alternatives to the mainstream media and actually can get our message out there I doubt the left can take back power as they did after 2016
It's why I said the Daily Wire crew is gonna be happy. If you're part of the more mainstream conservative crew then it's certainly the preferred position and as my original comment said, I get it. However, I also understand why one would not be happy at all with this "containment" option.
I'm optimistic cuz I read the past of a future country by Edward Dutton and I generally agree with him the left is intellectuals are not what they used to be for example leftist IQ has been declining while the right in Christian Protestants in Mormons are immune from the degenic effect
It depends on what type of ‘Left.’
Yeah, I personally do not know or follow enough leftists to be sure of what specific factions will become stronger in the oppostition.
But as a whole, I predict that the left will become energized.
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